Which Marble Track Is Best?

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Kommentarer
Jens Huib
Jens Huib 9 dagar sedan
What causes the marbles to get stuck is friction, obviously, so I’d say make a shape closer to a question mark with a more equally round track, so that the angle of attack is the same everywhere and the probability of a marble getting stuck is equal everywhere. I’m talking about this kind of shape: :::::::::””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””-:::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::- ,,,,,,,-:::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::: So just the track, half a circle and a quarter circle.
alon hamburger
alon hamburger 15 dagar sedan
9:20 indian mario
Sad Panda
Sad Panda 18 dagar sedan
Damn Martin net sanding discs seen better days 😂
Felds Liscia
Felds Liscia 29 dagar sedan
Such a nice touch to have the patrons scroll in sync with the music in the end of the video ❤️
Raymond Duncan
Raymond Duncan Månad sedan
Even though #5 hangs up, when the machine is working, all the vibration will keep things running smoothly anyway.
Noemi Blair
Noemi Blair Månad sedan
The callous fireplace rationally blink because yacht parenthetically cause astride a poor ferryboat. swift, damaging greece
Other Account
Other Account Månad sedan
I hate wintergatan so much why does he always make marble things hes stupid and its not cool at all marbles suck they killed my mother
DJ matexx
DJ matexx Månad sedan
9:18 it's the simple things that make us laugh.
Channel Nobody Watches
Channel Nobody Watches Månad sedan
Answer: none of them lol
FUSION GAMER X
FUSION GAMER X Månad sedan
halo
Graham J. Ellis
Graham J. Ellis Månad sedan
Hey! Wait up there, I've been subscribed to the second channel ever since you announced it but it's only ever had a few recycled videos and 2 or 3 new ones from months ago. You called it "Wilson". Now you tell us there's _another_ "second" channel? When did you do that? Why didn't you tell us? What willyou use the spare/redundant Wilson channel for?
flying teacup
flying teacup Månad sedan
Epic!
HiPeopleIDKwhatIsGoingOn
HiPeopleIDKwhatIsGoingOn Månad sedan
8:20 -> me at 10:30 p.m. still doing homework and watching this
Dan Pinder
Dan Pinder Månad sedan
Answer: none of the above
sehhi vooty
sehhi vooty Månad sedan
He said hi to everyone so i just wanna say HELLO.
Martin Weber
Martin Weber Månad sedan
watching this and knowing its not going to be used at all.... :)
MadMan 39 SWE
MadMan 39 SWE Månad sedan
And then Martin invented the clock again and then this video became pointless
MadMan 39 SWE
MadMan 39 SWE Månad sedan
@sehhi vooty But this looks WAY cooler
sehhi vooty
sehhi vooty Månad sedan
installed in the MMX surely the overall vibration of the MMX would provide the required jog and prevent them getting stuck in the first place? Just a thought :-)
me epic
me epic Månad sedan
why not make the plywood one as close as you can get to original then put plastic plating or any other nonstick material on the inside of the gate
SomeSticks
SomeSticks Månad sedan
What site was he using at 7:43 ?
nieooj gotoy
nieooj gotoy Månad sedan
So if some of the gates tilting backward is causing a problem it sounds like them not being vertical is a problem unless it is 100% required.
miko foin
miko foin Månad sedan
maybe)?
nohione
nohione Månad sedan
Esta muy jodido ....ouuuhhh yeaaaahhhh
Welcome To Nevaad
Welcome To Nevaad Månad sedan
This is difficult to watch. Too much nonsense.
miko foin
miko foin Månad sedan
we love it
Jon Prevost
Jon Prevost Månad sedan
Your test is very different compared to your actual 3D implementation. Friction for sticking depends on the force (grams in your units) and surface area. Your "2D" test designs have smaller contact area than your 3D designs which have contoured profiles which grip with the same force but increased contact area, hence more likely to get stuck. Good luck.
nieooj gotoy
nieooj gotoy Månad sedan
I'm still mad at you that it took me almost one month to accidentally find the second channel
hoiy vinosa
hoiy vinosa Månad sedan
"I have a small scale here[...]" for small scale experiments? bdum-tsss
Жора Kadr
Жора Kadr Månad sedan
It is not Marbe Machine X anymore, It is Meme Machine X now! ;D
vern e
vern e Månad sedan
All we have is time, you’re having fun and learning lot’s, your dream is awesome enjoy the journey. You feed Wilson through the nose...😳
seiom jvony
seiom jvony Månad sedan
So if some of the gates tilting backward is causing a problem it sounds like them not being vertical is a problem unless it is 100% required.
hoiy vinosa
hoiy vinosa Månad sedan
put them there to Level the machine to a level "standard" before each performance. One Design! One Angle!
Larissa Amurov
Larissa Amurov Månad sedan
New pressure design for marble machine, new haircut for Martin 😁
Tres Salchichas
Tres Salchichas Månad sedan
Nice. He could have had this z-solution in November 2020. The priciple was posted 8th November last year by Jens#6124 on the Wintergatan Discord channel into the mmx community section.
MedEighty
MedEighty Månad sedan
Have you tried (or do you have space for) a spiral track?
seiom jvony
seiom jvony Månad sedan
Use some grqphite
Aaron Alquiza
Aaron Alquiza Månad sedan
9:14
Richard Paul-Jones
Richard Paul-Jones Månad sedan
You have been testing the gates out of MMX context, ie on the bench. Stuck marbles seem to free themselves with the smallest jog, in one instance a very light tap. When installed in the MMX surely the overall vibration of the MMX would provide the required jog and prevent them getting stuck in the first place? Just a thought :-)
Ever Enigmatic
Ever Enigmatic Månad sedan
Someday, when I am old and gray, I will say: "I was there when Martin started the Marble Machine X". It still won't be finished but that's not really the goal anymore; it's now about ingenuity and experientation.
bilishu aliss
bilishu aliss Månad sedan
I think the 'slow descent into madness' subplot is what I really enjoy the most about your show.
Scoopy Pigeon
Scoopy Pigeon Månad sedan
This SEcycle journey for me is so enjoyable - part of me asks, "Does this have to be finished?". Looking forward to completion, but will surely miss the journey that got us there.
bilishu aliss
bilishu aliss Månad sedan
Sir, I salute your engineering skills, bravo!
Gabriel Krivian
Gabriel Krivian Månad sedan
The problem is gonna be that eventually the hard steel bearings will cause indents into the much softer wood, which leads to the decrease in output force of the marbles , but also causes them to jam much more often.
Suppenfischeintopf
Suppenfischeintopf Månad sedan
I'm still mad at you that it took me almost one month to accidentally find the second channel
Andrew B
Andrew B Månad sedan
Martin: Weekly videos is too much! I need to do fewer videos Martin 2 months later: DAILY VIDEOS IS PRETTY DOPE
Lord Sandwich
Lord Sandwich Månad sedan
Why not attach cam behind the track that will shake the marbles loose if they get stuck?
01739485012
01739485012 Månad sedan
Have you also considered trying different materials? I think aluminum or some sort of plastic have different friction coefficients to plywood and might also have a significantly influence to the marble flow... Especially for the last question mark design with nylon or similar you might have other results...
Руслан Грызунов
Руслан Грызунов Månad sedan
And what about dust or other garbage in marble pressure gates?
Junkboy888
Junkboy888 Månad sedan
One Design! One Angle! Chant it from the roof top people! ! You keep saying you want One gate and track that is the same across the the whole machine. That way you don't have to make a custom one for each track. One gate would be great. One design leave you with only needing a few spares around on hand for a tour. But ... some of the gates leans back at an angle. There is your Mole you designed in. Keep all gate the same angle, just direct the marbles using the wire tracks to hit the mark.. One Design! One Angle! Chant it from the roof top people! ! Ps. You put levelers on the machine. Do you plan to set the Machine at a 30 degree backwards angle one day and 22.5 forward the next day, No you put them there to Level the machine to a level "standard" before each performance. One Design! One Angle!
An Iv
An Iv Månad sedan
чëткий вариант! круто. жду новых видосов.
cheese tasty
cheese tasty Månad sedan
what you wshould be mesuring is the amount of pressure per ball added
Charlie Haug
Charlie Haug Månad sedan
Use some grqphite
Artur Kłoniecki
Artur Kłoniecki Månad sedan
What if you introduce some kind of vibration or oscillation on purpose, to overcome the issue with the marbles getting stuck? just to prevent them sticking nad maintain minimal amount of kinetic energy at all times
Simon Jöhr
Simon Jöhr Månad sedan
9:16 --> nerve break down
Nemozoli
Nemozoli Månad sedan
PMA hodler? Are you into cryptocurrency, Martin? (I am...)
Illogical Thinking
Illogical Thinking Månad sedan
You sound swedish. Or norsk (I either don't know or don't remember what "norsk" is in english, but if I'm even close to right, you know what I mean). edit: The name of your channel further proves my theory.
BetaTester704
BetaTester704 Månad sedan
Did you just say. "Beta Test"
Justin M.
Justin M. Månad sedan
"Marbles are evil, lets do 30" lolol
Diego Martinez
Diego Martinez Månad sedan
Sir, I salute your engineering skills, bravo!
Brandon Hicks
Brandon Hicks Månad sedan
great work. Resist the urge to over-optimize. Go with #4--less than 100g of weight to resist, and doesn't get stuck.
aeris
aeris Månad sedan
I have an idea ! Tu veux utiliser des lames ressort (+ feutre ?) pour ralentir les billes, réglable par vis. D'une manière générale, une buté mobile. Plus une bille arrive vite sur la lame, plus sont énergie sera absorbé, donc ça devrait, aussi, réguler la vitesse.
Luis R
Luis R Månad sedan
@wintergatan you have dragged on this for too long. Tried many solutions and they all have the same issue: marbles getting stuck under pressure. Have you considered adding vibration to the marble gate system? The marbles usually get going by a slight nudge from another marble. You can probably try putting some sort of mechanical vibrator that can be powered with the machine drive train or even some sort of hammer that strikes each channel when the marble gate closes. I worked at a pharmaceutical plant where they had a similar issue feeding small tablets into a container using a queue not unlike the marble channels in the MMX. The solution was to add a small and simple pneumatic hammer that was in sync with the machine feeding cycle. Each time the machine fed tablets to the container, the hammer stroke several times in quick succession to make sure that tablets did not get stuck. That solution would not work in the MMX due to noise concerns but the idea is the same, use vibration. This would also work for the pickup section of the fish stair. Hope this helps.
Alguém por aí
Alguém por aí Månad sedan
secycle.info/lift/video/q2jdtbChi8ycqKk
The Man With No Name
The Man With No Name Månad sedan
Random question, could you have a "shaker"? something that repetitively hits or moves the channels? Either a bar that taps the back of the channel or shifts it to cause some vibration.
HZStudio
HZStudio Månad sedan
O long time no see
Landen Hoefs
Landen Hoefs Månad sedan
MARIO!!
robert kennion
robert kennion Månad sedan
ever thought of a graphite lubricator mecnanism that continually applies graphite as a dry lube to the marbles???
Pedro Pereira
Pedro Pereira Månad sedan
If there is some sort of solidworks for these designs, that would be great for testing before CNBC.
Michel Feldheim
Michel Feldheim Månad sedan
Don’t worry about it taking so long. I believe many of us are makers at heart and love to learn with you. Of course I want to see the final machine one day but that would mean the journey would kind of be over. Sad day 🤣 While we‘re at it, I am so so so impressed how your skills and personality have evolved over the course of that project. Oh, and can you make some music on the machine for us?
Orlando B00m
Orlando B00m Månad sedan
I have just had this idea... Maybe it can help. When being played, the MMX constantly vibrates and moves around. Whenever a marble gets stuck in these gates it really doesn't need much to make it fall through. So maybe, and that is a big maybe, you don't really have to care about them being stuck just a little and while they are built into the machine everything runs smoothly. So I think you should do a test with the gates built into the machine. If you are lucky none in a couple thousand will get stuck...
Martin W
Martin W Månad sedan
You didn't tilt the two question-mark-paths. If you tilt them in the way you mount them on the machine, the marbles will actually have to go *upwards* which will get them always stuck, if the marble lane feeding it is running dry!
vbddfy euuyt
vbddfy euuyt Månad sedan
don't dent or mar as easily. Wood will need some finishing done to deal with the same conditions.
swerasnym
swerasnym Månad sedan
9:14 Gunde Svan plays Mario?
Martin Fyhn
Martin Fyhn Månad sedan
I believe tin the ?! The vertical path on the right should not be completely vertical. The marbles gets stuck when the center of the bottom rightmost marble, is pushed further right, than the center of the top rightmost marble. If the path forces the bottom rightmost marble's center to always be further left, than the top one, then it should never get stuck (as long as the width of the track doesn't allow for a similar problem. But try to add a small wedge for the bottom marble, forcing it a little bit further left.
KanonOC
KanonOC Månad sedan
just and idea. why do you need the zig zag vertical. culd it not just aswell be horizontal. that way the slope would be the same but the pressure bleedof wuld still work. and you could make all the gates in one piece of playwood. seams like it would work
vbddfy euuyt
vbddfy euuyt Månad sedan
14:05 "Wilson, food time!" was the most adorable thing I've seen this week!
Ramón Correa
Ramón Correa Månad sedan
marbles are evil
Oskar Dampc
Oskar Dampc Månad sedan
Hi Martin, can we that don’t have engineering experience help in any kind of way? (except being member of the channel of course)
juap!
juap! Månad sedan
You need lateral force, and force ball rotation, also consider changing wood type for more friction. The you need a Peogressive zig zag design thats get closed in a logarithmic way.
See Sharp
See Sharp Månad sedan
Have you tried making the wooden surface smoother? Reducing friction should work.
Reinhard Eder
Reinhard Eder Månad sedan
Why dont u use another material with less friction than wood, cause this is the main reason they get stuck
misterbalrog
misterbalrog Månad sedan
Marbles = Evil --- > Evil Machine X ?
Russell Hopkins
Russell Hopkins Månad sedan
I found you because of the second channel. Thankful for it!
Gabriele Serra
Gabriele Serra Månad sedan
I have a question, why didnt you tried to angle the other designs beside the first one
Archie Halliwell
Archie Halliwell Månad sedan
Discordians are the followers of the Principia Discordia, not users of Discord!
Api
Api Månad sedan
cool, but why is this on my recomended?
Wizard Vega
Wizard Vega Månad sedan
I was wondering where the daily updates went! I wasn't subscribed here. Life is good!
Omiwan Kenomi
Omiwan Kenomi Månad sedan
PMMA Hodler? Are you trying to tell us something? ;-)
aldo b
aldo b Månad sedan
still waiting for that monster stand up and eat you....
David Lima games
David Lima games Månad sedan
po, de boa, ja virou um negocio muito lucrativo rpa ele isso. toda a hora ele "cria" alguma coisa e atrasa mais ainda ....está me cheirando marmelada
Bentroen
Bentroen Månad sedan
14:05 "Wilson, food time!" was the most adorable thing I've seen this week!
Alpinwolf5
Alpinwolf5 Månad sedan
"Marbles are evil." -"Marble-Machine" Martin, 2021
ArcK
ArcK Månad sedan
You know Martin, if you're willing to use math, you can calculate the exact amount of pressure in a very satisfying and not overly-complicated way. Then you can call yourself an engineer with no reservation.
Chaomatic
Chaomatic Månad sedan
New haircut :)
Larison Johnson
Larison Johnson Månad sedan
Martin, the vertical exit, though pleasing to look at, might provide too much of a pressure drop at the very end. The pressure has to go somewhere and I think it’s amplifying the friction against the 90 degree wall, even worse when the gate is angled. There might be a sweet spot, less than vertical, where the pressure is being reduced, but not enough to cause the friction to overcome gravity. If, of course, we still believe in physics. 🙂 Love this content!
James Daniels
James Daniels Månad sedan
why dont you place magnets around the edge of your test table so they dont keep rolling on the floor?
Lennart Krüger
Lennart Krüger Månad sedan
You seem very happy ^-^
Ian Adams
Ian Adams Månad sedan
You also have to take into consideration the amount of vibration going through the gates during use, and how much vibration it takes to unstick the ball bearings. I'm fairly certain the machien will be vibrating enough to prevent them from sticking during operation. Part of the sticking is probably also related to the the compressibility and friction of the wood, where the ball bearings are pressing and sticking into the end grain of the wood. If you can get a block of HDPE, try making a sample gate out of it, instead of plywood. You could also try coating the bearing path with some kind of lubricant like a spray-on lithium grease or silicon grease/oil
M. Jeanne
M. Jeanne Månad sedan
on part 5, change the angle where it get stuck. Friction on the wood is to big
Michael Rodin
Michael Rodin Månad sedan
Have you ever tried with a material with less friction?
Michael Wilkinson
Michael Wilkinson Månad sedan
couldnt you do the marble channel in a different material?
Eckoes
Eckoes Månad sedan
9:13 are you okay?
Kamil Kuliński
Kamil Kuliński Månad sedan
How about a double spiral channels?
Oliver Wesley
Oliver Wesley Månad sedan
Where did his hair go
Geoff N
Geoff N Månad sedan
seems like the reason the question mark is getting stuck is the static friction between the wood and marble, since the pressure from above is high enough to make the marble stick. If friction is the issue, some graphite lubrication might solve the problem nicely. another potential solution would be to make this part out of clear acrylic (like the conveyor belt) which at a glance seems like it would have a lower coefficient of static friction with the marbles than wood, and offers some aesthetic appeal
Cikay
Cikay Månad sedan
HAHAHA xD I love your humor! The Mario reference was AMAZING!
Skeletor
Skeletor Månad sedan
I can't wait for the new machine to be finished!
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